Ordinariate Benedictine Oblates lead Morning Prayer in Orange County

The Blessed John Henry Newman Community of the St Benet Biscop Benedictine Oblates will be leading Morning Prayer or Mattins at Our Lady, Queen of Peace Chapel in Irvine, California. Mattins will be sung between the two Sunday Masses at 10.00 a.m.

Anglican Use Morning Prayer in Irvine

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22 Responses to Ordinariate Benedictine Oblates lead Morning Prayer in Orange County

  1. Jeff Hirst says:

    Wandering around the Internet, as one does, I came across Morning and Evening Prayer and The 1928 Prayer Book Psalter – Concise Edition, available from Amazon. I don’t know how “official” this is, but it appears to be the US equivalent of The Customary here in the UK. Whatever its status, it is a worthy enterprise in itself, and one step nearer to the day when Divine Worship – The Daily Office (or whatever it might be called) is published. I personally applaud all those who are contributing to the further development of the Ordinariates through the beauty of traditional Anglican worship.

    • Rev22:17 says:


      I hope that the pontifical commission Anglicanae traditiones is now in the process of preparing “Divine Worship — The Daily Office” for use by the ordinariates and by the parishes erected under the so-called “pastoral provision” here in the States. The daily office clearly is a central element of the fabric of Anglican patrimony, with its own variations in structure from that of the Liturgy of the Hours of the Roman Rite, and thus clearly should be part of “the liturgical books proper to the Anglican tradition, which have been approved by the Holy See,” to which Title III of the apostolic constitution Anglicanorum coetibus refers.

      Of course, the Customary of Our Lady of Walsingham probably is pretty close to what “Divine Worship — The Daily Office” should be.


    • ANOMYMOUS says:

      AS a member of the Dominican Laity in Australia I use the Daily Office of the Catholic Church. I find that a very prayerful exercise each day. Sadly I have no local Dominican Laity members close by to join with me for the office. By the way, later this year I will be travelling to Ireland, where I hope to join with the Cistercian Monks at Mt. Mellary, Co. Waterford for a silent retreat, after which I will pilgrimage to the Holy Land.

      • Hi there!

        Are you a member of the Ordinariate? I am interested to hear that you belong to the “Dominican Laity”, which I assume is the new name for the Secular Third Order. I know of one Secular Franciscan (Third Order) member in the Ordinariate in Canada. I would love to see cells of “Ordinariate” Secular Franciscans and “Ordinariate” Dominican Laity growing up in the same way as the St Benet Biscop Benedictine Oblates. What about it?

        Just one point regarding nomenclature. When we refer to the Anglican or Anglican Use Office, we call it “Daily Office” or “Daily Prayer”, whereas I believe we should say “Divine Office” or “Liturgy of the Hours” when referring to the Latin Rite Breviary.

  2. EPMS says:

    Bl John Henry Newman, Victoria, BC and Annunciation, Ottawa have Mattins every day before mass, so clearly there is some currently authorised form.

  3. jbpauley says:

    Until an official, authorized version of the Daily Office is available, there are guidelines Ordinariate Catholics can follow. Then-Monsignor Lopes sent me the guidelines when he was at the CDF. I attempted to cut-and-paste them here, but this effort didn’t duplicate the original formatting. I’ll happily send the document as an email attachment to all who request it by contacting me here: jpauley@csbsju.edu

    ( P.S. Editor’s comment: To read the Guidelines, just click on the following link: https://ordinariateexpats.files.wordpress.com/2016/05/guidelines-for-morning-and-evening-prayer-in-the-personal-ordinariates.docx )

  4. Greg K Herr says:

    We had a beautiful Sung Morning Prayer yesterday in Orange County @ Blessed John’s. Dr Sandy Fryling provided the sung service, most of our Oblate [candidates] were able to make it along with some from the parish, and followed by a wonderful Mass and Corpus Christi procession.

  5. ALG Bass says:

    To which monastery are these Oblates attached?

    • jbpauley says:

      St. John’s Abbey, Collegeville, Minnesota: https://stbenetoblates.wordpress.com/

      • Just out of interest, Brother John-Bede, how many Oblate candidates do you now have and where are they located?

      • jbpauley says:

        There are twenty oblate-candidates in the St. Benet Biscop Chapter of St. John’s Oblates. Since the oblate director, Fr. Michael Peterson, O.S.B., has the pastoral care of all oblates and especially oblate-candidates during their year of candidacy, we decided to limit the number of new oblate-candidates in the St. Benet Biscop Chapter for now.

        With immense sorrow, I report that the number of oblate-candidates was tragically reduced by one last weekend. Bill Yates (who retired with his wife, Fran, to Tennessee a few years ago, and whom I knew from our years as parishioners at Mount Calvary, Baltimore, in the 1980s) died only last weekend from a heart attack. (Their son, Matthew, who was a splendid altar server at Mount Calvary, also died last weekend from a heart attack.) Please keep Fran and her and Bill’s girls, Kirsten and Kimberly in your prayers.

        Here is a geographical list of the oblate-candidates:

        British Columbia – 1
        California – 8
        Minnesota/North Dakota – 6
        New Jersey – 1
        Tennessee – 1
        Texas – 1
        Wisconsin – 2

  6. ALG Bass says:

    Recquiescat in Pace.

  7. jbpauley says:

    p.s. – I meant, in the note above, to ask prayers also for the repose of the souls of Bill Yates and his son Matthew. Requiescant in pace.

  8. ALG Bass says:

    Br jbpauley, are you a member of the Ordinariate? Did you join the abbey after having joined the Church through the Ordinariate, if you are? And do you know of any other oblate program for members of the Ordinariates other than the one at St John’s Abbey?

    • jbpauley says:

      I entered St. John’s Abbey in 1996 (having been a member of the now-dissolved Cistercian Abbey of Spring Bank). I had converted to the Catholic Church through the then-“normal” means, i.e., as a run-of-the-mill convert–in 1986. (Mount Calvary, Baltimore was my last parish as an Episcopalian.) Though I consider myself a de facto member of the Ordinariate by virtue of being a convert who supports the Anglican patrimony w/in the Catholic Church, I believe canon law considers my ordinary to be the abbot of St. John’s. As far as I’m aware, the St. Benet Biscop Chapter of St. John’s Oblates is the only Anglican-patrimonial group of Benedictine oblates.

    • Rev22:17 says:

      ALG Bass,

      I think that members of the ordinariates can become oblates of any Benedictine monastery. St. John’s Abbey in Collegeville, Minnesota, may well be the only abbey with a group of oblates using the Divine Worship liturgical rites right now, though I’m not aware of anything that would forbid the formation of a similar group at another monastery.


      • ALG Bass says:

        Rev22:17 and Br jbpauley,
        Thank you.

        Br jbpauley, what texts are the Ordinariate oblates using? Is it an office like that of the BCP, or the English Ordinariate’s Customary? There is an (unofficial) book being published very soon by an Ordinariate layman that is basically the BCP (1928) Office with the collects from our Missal. The website for his publishings is http://www.walsinghampublishing.com. He also has a group that does the morning office from that book over telephone: prayer.covert.org. I hope that the Ordinariates either endorse his work or publish something very similar.


  9. jbpauley says:

    Thank you, Norm, for pointing out that indeed members of the ordinariates can apply to be oblates at any Benedictine/Cistercian monastery that has an oblates program. Furthermore, I cannot imagine that when the Liturgy of the Hours in the Divine Worship form becomes available in its official form (and is now available in an inchoate form by following the guidelines referred to above), any oblate director would object to an oblate praying that form of the LOH on his or her own.

    But it bears mentioning that to be a Benedictine or Cistercian oblate is to be an oblate of a particular monastic community with its own liturgy. What is unusual about the St. Benet Biscop Chapter of St. John’s Oblates is that St. John’s offers us, when we gather as a chapter at St. John’s, the resources and permission to pray according to a liturgical tradition different from the abbey’s, i.e., the Divine Worship liturgical form. Among the resources St. John’s has are a number of chapels that make celebrating the Divine Worship liturgy possible without impinging in any way on the abbey’s celebration of the liturgy. This is one reason among several that a number of other communities might have to decline a similar request. I mention this not to discourage making such inquiries but to suggest that contacting brother and sister oblate directors should be done with an awareness of some of the limitations involved. Even in our case, we’re finding that shepherding an oblates chapter that has its own liturgical/spiritual identity is a considerable, and rather pioneering, effort—though very much worth it!

    As time and other duties permit, I’m also happy to celebrate the Divine Worship form of the liturgy with St. Benet Biscop Chapter oblates at times other than our regularly-scheduled gatherings. But if St. Benet Biscop Chapter oblates show up at St. John’s un-announced, the form of the liturgy according to which they worship is that of St. John’s Abbey.

    The only comparable instance at another monastery of which I’m aware was the situation at St. Procopius (outside Chicago) in the 1950s when at least one of the monks was apparently bi-ritual for the sake of furthering ecumenical relations with the Orthodox. This is why Dorothy Day, who lived in New York City, became an oblate of St. Procopius. ( https://stbenetoblates.wordpress.com/2015/11/30/dorothy-day-obl-s-b-november-29-1980/ )

    • Rev22:17 says:


      Yes, the scheduling of services is clearly an issue. My guess is that most of the larger Benedictine abbeys probably have smaller chapels connected to their schools or retreat groups that would suitable for celebration according to the Divine Worship use and enough available clergy so supporting such a chapter of oblates would not be a problem. The availability of suitable chapels might be more problematic at smaller abbeys and priories.

      That said, my guess is that the major issue is that of drawing sufficient numbers to form an initial core group that would have enough “critical mass” to be sustainable. My guess is that most abbeys would try to support such a group if there were enough candidates to meet this bar.

      Incidentally, St. Meinrad Archabbey actually had five priests become biritual back in the 1960’s because, at the time, that number permitted celebration of the divine office in the vernacular, technically according to the other rite, rather than in Latin.


  10. jbpauley says:

    I might add that one of the possibilities to which the St. Benet Biscop Chapter is open is that it would somehow help support the formation someday of a monastery in the U.S. whose own liturgical expression is that of the Divine Worship liturgy.

    Also, the U.K. Ordinariate has a convent of Benedictine nuns: the Convent of the Sisters of the Blessed Virgin Mary in Maryvale. I don’t know whether they have an oblates program.

  11. jbpauley says:

    ALG Bass,
    I’m aware that an authorized form of the Divine Office for the ordinariates is a project dear to the hearts of those who prepared the Missal and Occasional Services book. So we can hope that all (Benedictine oblates or not) should have that option before too long. In the meantime, the oblates who wish to pray the office according to the Anglican patrimony are advised to use the following guidelines: https://ordinariateexpats.files.wordpress.com/2016/05/guidelines-for-morning-and-evening-prayer-in-the-personal-ordinariates.docx

  12. ANOMYMOUS says:

    HELLO, I am a strong supporter of the Ordinariate in Australia, However, to be called a member, I am NOT sure. It is a long story and one that is very private and rather delicate, so I would not like to go into detail in this open forum, sorry about that. It is for this reason that I use the ANON title. I would prefer not to, but I must to avoid any conflict or hurt. My complete and utter belief in the Catholic faith as given to mankind by Jesus Christ, through St. Peter, and now to His Holiness Pope Francis, is the gift I most cherish in my life. Come Holy Spirit, Your Prayers for me appreciated. Blessings.

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